2012 US Presidential Election

Stevetheipad

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Washing your hands of it and not taking part in the actual choice doesn't make you any better than anyone else, and for as much as you tell yourself that you're not being a sheep, what you're doing is silencing yourself.
My political beliefs aside, I have to say that I disagree with you that Irock's actions would be "not taking part in the actual choice" or even "silencing yourself". In fact, if he were to take your suggestion and just put in a "whole vote" for one major party candidate or the other, I believe that would be silencing his vote in the worst possible way - by artificially strengthening the position of the majority parties. If they're not meeting the population's needs then they need to see their support erode from underneath them. If they don't make efforts to ensure they appeal to their constituents, they might find themselves fractured apart like the Whig Party.

Here's the thing, real change is slow to happen. There's not going to be a day when everyone in the country wakes up and goes "Wow, we're never going to vote for our party again!" It takes time to build up the momentum, to have a solid, regular foundation of members. That happens by people voting for what they believe is the right choice, not just the best of two options.

As of the 2010 census, an entire 24.6% of the population was under the legal voting age of 18 (source: http://www.census.gov/population/age/data/2010comp.html ). If a party were to spend just 18 years (only 4.5 presidential terms!) successfully attracting the attention of newly eligible voters they would already be halfway to the point of being a majority party. If enough youth are dissatisfied with the current two-party options, that might not be as outlandish of a statement as it first sounds...
I totally agree.

Blob

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obama because i hate republicans they hate gay people and believe in god
lol I'm too good at this.

coleislazy

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I wish politicians would speak clearly about what they stand for or against, and actually back up the words with actions, rather than sticking to approved party speak.

rob1221

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Really?  We didn't even reach page 2 before starting personal insults?

As for the main question, I'm not voting this year.  I'm very picky about who I consider good enough to be the most powerful person in the country, and I don't consider any candidates on the ballot to be good enough.  As far as Romney and Obama are concerned, I think the differences between them are exaggerated in the media, and it won't matter too much for the economy which one of them wins.

Rhys

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white trash bible thumping tea party dummies.

wow guys american politics sure are serious business

rob1221

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But it's the most important election of our lifetime...well that's what I've heard, anyway :P

Stevetheipad

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Really?  We didn't even reach page 2 before starting personal insults?

As for the main question, I'm not voting this year.  I'm very picky about who I consider good enough to be the most powerful person in the country, and I don't consider any candidates on the ballot to be good enough.  As far as Romney and Obama are concerned, I think the differences between them are exaggerated in the media, and it won't matter too much for the economy which one of them wins.
In my opinion, if you're educated about the candidates and things, you should always vote! I can see situations where a voter doesn't like either of the major candidates but at least help in deciding a better president. Even if there's only one thing you stand with Obama or Romney with (or any candidates in the future0) then vote for that one person.

SWATLLAMA

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I can't vote.

But, if I could, I would vote for Barack Obama. He's not very socialist, but he's as close as we can get right now. I think we should have very high taxes for rich people like the Google people and hopefully Jon soon too. :)

Extreme conservatives just want to destroy the country and believe that god told them to do it, when, in fact, it's just the natural evilness and stupidity that resides in their brain. One such example would just so happen to be the conservative party presidential nominee. His ideas are to restrict gays, raped people (not just females can be raped), and to undo the little that Obama managed to accomplish.

« Last Edit: October 16, 2012, 04:48:03 pm by SWATLLAMA »
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Luyren

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In my opinion, if you're educated about the candidates and things, you should always vote! I can see situations where a voter doesn't like either of the major candidates but at least help in deciding a better president. Even if there's only one thing you stand with Obama or Romney with (or any candidates in the future0) then vote for that one person.
I actually think it's best to not vote/nullify your vote (don't know the right term in english) than voting for someone you don't fully support, in the same way for the "vote on the candidate with less chance" situation. I think it's all a matter of being heard, sending a message, instead of voting for the "smaller evil".

If the majority voted for the candidate that they fully agree, or didn't vote because they don't think the candidates are worth their vote, surely the situation would be different in a lot of places. The vote is a powerful weapon, I don't know if most people realise this.

Here in Brazil, the elections are a joke: the candidates abuse on the poor people by buying their votes (literaly, with money), the political platforms of most politicians focus on helping the poor with social wellfare plans (thus getting the support of the masses), when a lot of people know that we need a huge investment on education to improve our country. And there's a massive case of corruption among the members of the congress, it's disgusting. I'm not much into politics, but from what my parents talk about, here in Brazil they pointed only two politicians worth supporting, and one of them never made to presidency.
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rob1221

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SWATLLAMA, there are plenty of people who consider themselves conservatives (which doesn't include just social conservatives), and they don't all agree on the same things.  Regardless, calling them evil and stupid is a gross mis-categorization, as well as being insulting.

irock

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Seems to be pretty consensus that libertarian voters are more republican-like than democrat-like. I think if you looked around at your fellow Gary Johnson supporters you'd see a lot of white trash bible thumping tea party dummies. I'd just as well not coordinate or associate with these people.
I see a lot of regular people who do their research, a lot of them young. Maybe they were from the original "modern" tea party movement before it was hijacked by social-conservative republicans.

Even if Mitt Romney believed in anything close to free markets, which he doesn't, then I and a large portion of libertarians still wouldn't vote for him because of his domestic and foreign stances.

The same goes for Obama. Even if he wanted to have a non-offensive military and had a socially liberal domestic policy, which he doesn't, most of us still wouldn't vote for him because of his economic and entitlement policies.

But luckily both candidates are authoritarian murderers across the board backed by the same giant corporations and banks so we have all the reason to vote for neither. There's no choice and whoever wins, we're screwed anyway. The difference between you and me is I get to sleep at night.

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The city you live in, the roads you drive on, the police you rely upon to keep people from raping you and stealing your shit, the ER you could end up in one day -- This stuff exists because of government. Like it or not, for all of its problems, government *does* do things that affect lives,
Everything you mentioned with the exception of federal roads exist outside the federal government.

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and which of the two actual candidates who can win, does win, does matter. Washing your hands of it and not taking part in the actual choice doesn't make you any better than anyone else, and for as much as you tell yourself that you're not being a sheep, what you're doing is silencing yourself. A nutbag like gary johnson will never win. A wish or a prayer never changed a policy, and a vote cast for this guy is just that.
But it doesn't matter whether the current republican or democratic candidate wins. People are still going to continue to be killed by our military, our deficit's going to continue to increase, the government's going to continue granting itself more power, our freedoms are going to continue to be taken away, our dollar's going to continue to lose value, giant corporations are going to continue to get unfair advantages, the police state's going to continue to grow-- and in a few years in Obama's second term, you're going to continue turning a blind eye to it because you're trained to unconditionally vote for one of the two parties they want you to know about.

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If you want to act like you're not a sheep and you're going to do something about it, voting for a hopeless candidate is a pretty neutered way of going about it. Go physically protest somewhere or engage in some soft domestic terrorism if you want to be taken seriously on that front. In the mean time it's just toke-fueled hot air.
I'm not silencing myself. I'm spreading the message, and by doing so a number of people I know have become libertarian. We're growing every day.

SWATLLAMA

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SWATLLAMA, there are plenty of people who consider themselves conservatives (which doesn't include just social conservatives), and they don't all agree on the same things.  Regardless, calling them evil and stupid is a gross mis-categorization, as well as being insulting.

Sozzy, I should've clarified that I'm against extreme ones along the lines of Mitt Romney and many of our more recent conservatives from about Ronald Reagan on. I'll edit my post.
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Blob

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"I think all (x) are evil and stupid" - motto of history's most dangerous people

lazyboygames

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Let's all make sure SWATLLAMA never gains a following.

darkknighth20

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Obama. Romney is the Anti-Christ!

I'd like to say "Ralph Nader" -- but I'm sure 99% of people have no idea who he is and I don't know if he is even running >_>
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