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Bombini

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It is a little different when you are trying to do this for a living. Most of the people commenting and giving advice have full time jobs and do gamedev as a hobby (sorry if I am mistaken on that).

It is actually both. Space Pirate does for sure not count because this is spare time.
Thats why i said "if i can afford it". I usually try to work on several projects and focus on another one when i am stuck...if i can fford it ;)

But very good point!

decafpanda

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Whoa what happened with your game on Kong?  It was a rock solid 3.8 at the top of the best games of the month column.  I was checking back hoping to see it on the Hot new games feature but it was gone.  Gone from everywhere.. I found it through your profile to see a 3.0????

What happened?   That kind of rating drop seems impossible  with how many ratings you have.

We're you a victim of Kong's buggy rating system too??

If so I would be very upset, your game has huge views and a 3.8 idle game on Kong could easily get hundreds of thousands of views

KramerGames

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Not sure what happened, but it seems that I have been getting fake good ratings. Maybe I shouldn't have posted about ideas on how to combat this shit in the Kongregate forums, maybe it's part of a bigger strategy anyway (just happened to another game as well). So frustrating that right now I feel like I never want to publish on Kongregate again. At the very least they could add a captcha for making new accounts.
Parasites United  (Idle Parasite Game)

decafpanda

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I feel for you.  That is absolute garbage.  Have you ever considered Armor Games?  They gave me a $200  site lock deal for Space Race.  I would imagine you could get a similar deal with them for some of your games.  You have more views than Space Race for most of you titles.  Might be worth checking out!

Good luck man,

KramerGames

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I asked them for Parasites United 2 and they said that they are very picky about idle games. They have a strange system that you need to be approved first with a quality game to be given developer status, then you can upload anything it seems. I'm gonna take another shot at them with my next game as it won't be an idle game.
Parasites United  (Idle Parasite Game)

KramerGames

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Parasites United 2 recap:


After I had squashed the bugs things looked good, everyday the game got more plays than the day before and the rating went as high as 3.8. It felt too good to be true and sadly that's exactly what it was. I had received a very high number of fake ratings and eventually Kongregate removed them and left my game crippled with a 2.9 rating.

I'm pretty sure the scammers had realized that every time their fake ratings had been removed by Kongregate, some legit high ratings had been removed as well (they probably know exactly how many fake ratings they put in so it's easy to see). Therefore it was a pretty smart move to give other games obvious fake high ratings, inform Kongregate, and let them do the job for them. Parasites United 2 is still my highest rated game on Newgrounds, where people tend to dislike idle games, and I refuse to accept that it deserves such a low rating. I am not going through this again and therefore won't publish my games on Kongregate until this is solved.

Unfortunately, there is still no captcha or email check for signing up and detecting and removing fake ratings obviously isn't working. My one million plays challenge will therefore be on hold, maybe they'll add botchecks and I'll be back in a few months, otherwise I hope to have made the jump to steam by the end of the year. This whole situation is very frustrating as Kongregate seems to be the perfect place to start out as a beginner.


The Future:

I will probably close another chapter of my career very soon, which is Stencyl. My subscription is going to run out in a few months and I am most likely going to switch to Unity. While I really like Stencyl and would still recommend it to anyone starting out, things are going pretty slowly and the amount of resources for Unity is pretty damn big. And I can use Unity for free, which is pretty important since I'm not making money yet.


My next post will be about my current game, and hopefully be a lot more positive than this post :-) .
Parasites United  (Idle Parasite Game)

ceosol

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If kongregate is killing your spirits - stop uploading to kongregate.

Also, if things are slow in Stencyl, they will be even slower than Unity. At the local game jams, the teams usually have three unity developers (i.e. programming students and professional coders). They do as much work in 48 hours as I would have completed in 10 hours using Stencyl by myself.

KramerGames

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The thing about Kongregate is that (assuming they'll ever process the payment) I made 300$ there which is almost all of my earnings so far. Even though I didn't make very popular games, they are still getting plays and providing a constant trickle of income. Would be really nice to expand on that.

As for things being slow in Stencyl, I meant on the other end. I've been hoping for html5 now ever since I understood what it is. There might be a perfectly good reason why it's not ready and I don't mean to point the finger etc., it's just that Unity is huge and I would feel a lot safer that they can adapt to problems quickly.
It's also a bit symbolic that you talk about them being a team and you being alone. I wish the Stencyl community was bigger and I could find some skype groups etc.

I am concerned about how much longer creating games in unity will take though, I'll just try it out and will continue with Stencyl if it takes too long.
Parasites United  (Idle Parasite Game)

squeeb

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i was wondering the same thing... i tried unity.. i figure 2d stencyl is easiest by far.. after i have maxed out what i can do in 2d stencyl, and whenever i want to step up to 3d,  ill go unity..
id love to work on a project with some people here.. or you @KramerGames, if youre interested. 
when i have someone else working on a project  with me, i feel more like i have to get some stuff done myself and i am more productive :p

decafpanda

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I know that Kong deal was a dagger in the heart for you... I was keeping up with your game as it climbed the ranks and was hoping to see it featured.  Instead it got buried.  What a shame!  Kong offers really good rev share compared to Newgrounds and a high rated idle game on Kong could earn decent money.

I do not know much about unity so I have no opinion on that.

 I personally know nothing about programming but Stencyl allows me to make games.  That is a very powerful statement that I don't think a unity developer could make.

Anyway, best of luck!!
 

KramerGames

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@squeeb

Interesting because you seem to have a very profound understanding of Stencyl already.
I would probably use Unity for 2D though.

As far as working together goes, I'm more interested in just looking over someone else's shoulder to learn a few things. I'm worried that doing a collaboration might be very time consuming and you get stuck in a project that you can't abandon. I saw that in the Unity community there are skype groups that do “coding nights” where they just throw something together in a single session. I'd be very interested in something like that or simply watching each other, but I made a thread here recently and no one was interested.




@decafpanda:

Idle games on Kongregate are a nice way to make money, though I feel like I discovered it a bit too late since the site seems to get flooded with those right now. Anyhow, I'm trying to progress now to more sophisticated games.
I read that Newgrounds has the “problem” of not getting good ad revenue because they allow almost everything like porn etc. I think I have made like 1$ on there so far...
Parasites United  (Idle Parasite Game)

decafpanda

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Yeah Kong is a bit crazy right now with idle.  Idle, point and click, and "clicker" games dominate Kong.  Doesn't anyone care about action games anymore!?!?! lol

Kong is really not for me.  I like to make games where things go BOOM.

Anyway, good luck man, hope to see some new stuff from you soon.  You on twitter?  I update mine pretty regularly, hit me up :)

https://twitter.com/DecafpandaGames

ceosol

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@squeeb

Interesting because you seem to have a very profound understanding of Stencyl already.
I would probably use Unity for 2D though.

As far as working together goes, I'm more interested in just looking over someone else's shoulder to learn a few things. I'm worried that doing a collaboration might be very time consuming and you get stuck in a project that you can't abandon. I saw that in the Unity community there are skype groups that do “coding nights” where they just throw something together in a single session. I'd be very interested in something like that or simply watching each other, but I made a thread here recently and no one was interested.

When you previously talked about a skype group, I thought you wanted a chat when we already have discord. I'd totally be interested in a coding night. I joined a local community of game developers. The theme is supposed to be "get S@#$ done". However, I've only recently been able to get them to start moving in that direction. I keep stressing that community involvement in a project would do more good than giving a lecture series.

So I'm going to ECGC over the next few days (hopefully getting to shake hands with John Romero). When I get back, I'd love to start up something with you. It would be awesome to livestream on Youtube and Twitch - both helping us grow as a group and possibly increasing the size of the Stencyl community. My skype is hakarn1 and you have my email.

detted

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Awesome! The problem is the time zones. You always stream at like 5 in the morning here Ceosol :P But I've been watching HelloComics(who's using Stencyl) stream who is streaming in the same time zone as here and I love it. I can't contribute that much to the streaming community, I rarely have time to stream, but I love watching Stencylers while I work on other things.
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merrak

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I remember that thread, but I think I had the same impression Ceosol did.

Something like a "coding night" sounds like a great idea to me. I like seeing how other people solve the same problems I run into. It'd also be good to see more live streamers. I've sometimes thought about trying it myself, but I can't imagine it'd be interesting to watch me code :P