I totally agree, there are amazing and gorgeous flash games out there, plenty made with stencyl as well. Seems like I formed my phrase badly; What I meant to say is flash has it's limitations. If you know them, and know exactly what you're doing, you can overcome the problems with the limitations and create whatever you like. Me, on the other hand, well, I just recently started and have no clue on how to make games run 60 fps, even 30 would be nice. Looks like I have a long journey ahead of me to learn.