Thanks for the advice, i've been reading all about "Group Collisions" and at first changing them did nothing (I had made a bunch of new Groups because of the Tutorials) anyway after a long time of enabling all the things like "actor" and "players" on/off. It was not working, not work. Suddenly it works now, i'm not sure what specific change did it but if anyone else is stuck on something like this and finds this page it seems the fix lies in Group Collision. Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction